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A place where the men can gather and have relaxing conversations, learning, teaching and laughter. We need this space, so welcome. May you walk in beauty White-Bear Apache Elder

Location: everywhere upon Mother Earth
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Latest Activity: Oct 27, 2019

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It's quite in the men's lodge? 5 Replies

I am new over here. I met Brother Phil some weeks ago in Lothlorien and found myself suddenly being the Fire Keeper in his Pipe Sharing Ceremony; my Soul being very happy and me being very humble…Continue

Started by Gerard Franciscus Remmerswaal. Last reply by Paul Tobin-Coyote Song Sep 18, 2016.

How to live in harmony with all beings and the earth itself 19 Replies

I would love to hear what other men are feeling in these times of great change. What are you doing to abide in the spiritual reality that exists above and beyond, yet coincident with this place. …Continue

Started by John Bent. Last reply by Tim Barrett Sep 2, 2014.

Getting Involved 3 Replies

Okay, this one got to me. I signed the petition. Can we make a difference? Not if We just sit and do nothing. Come on guys, go for it! This one needs Us.…Continue

Started by John Francis. Last reply by Tim Barrett Sep 2, 2014.


Knowledge minus Action equals ZeroKnowlegdg - Action = 0Continue

Started by Bernie Robinson Feb 24, 2013.

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Comment by White-Bear on August 8, 2011 at 8:21am

Thank you for your words, John. Fear is something we live with every day. But it is up to us to live in it or reject it. We reject it!

All my relations


Comment by Jay Westwind Wolf Hollingsworth on August 7, 2011 at 10:54pm
Naput ni. Thank you, my brothers John, Whitebear and Anand. I am uplifted by your words and the Hopi Prophecy. I refuse to live with fear and keep love and forgiveness in my heart! Fear is a tool that bad forces use to control and marginalize the weak. My we never become weak! All my relations! Westwind
Comment by White-Bear on August 7, 2011 at 8:28am
Ich'-hi-ye' to all my brothers who have contributed here. How about the rest of you?
Comment by White-Bear on August 6, 2011 at 7:54am

Thank you for your words. Courage mixed with a bit of wisdom is what we should try to achieve. Thank you, makes one think.


Apache Elder

Comment by John Francis on August 5, 2011 at 9:58pm

So what is fear? It seems to be a stopper of the flow. This story happened many years ago. I was a young engineer in charge of a project. I was working in an iron foundry. This project required a lot of buried tanks.


One of the tanks was to be installed above ground.  This tank contained liquid petroleum. The truck arrived and upon off loading a rigger did not secure the transfer properly. This tank slowly began to fall off the forks of the lifting truck.


The workers around me took off as fast as they could run. I just watched. At one point I was tempted to push this tank back but the operator also took off. I only weigh about 120 pounds so I gave up on that intention.


So I watched as this massive tank bounced on the ground and rolled toward me. It came to rest at my feet and the the cap on the delivery end did not break. Had it broken a multitude of bad would have happened.


So the big guys came back. They looked at me as if I was some kind of nut. One guy said you have no fear. “What’s to fear?” I said. The unfolding of Events is Written in a Sacred Manner. In our Heart We Know This.


Next a guy came up to me on the topic of the buried tanks. I was puzzling as to where they should go. He said he was a douser and could help me. Many utilities were buried in the ground and the documentation was lean as to their whereabouts. 


So he was a pipe fitter and used a set of pliers to look into what was underground. To prove his abilities he asked that we dig here and there as he saw pipes and such underneath.


We did this and everywhere he said dig we found pipes. So than where to dig? He said here. This was for a really big tank. The guy on the backhoe looked at me and asked if he was going to light up. Meaning hitting a buried power line.


I thought, you have a fearful job. He dug and got nothing but a really big rock. It was fun to watch his skills in removing this from the hole he dug. The tanks went in and all was good.


On the topic of fear I defer to Edgar Mitchell ...If fears race in our head and hearts fill with dread,

Nature weeps and shuts tight Her door;

Fear’s not Her way, nor the game we should play

Nay, live life in abundance, e’ermore.


Live without fear, stay with Love.

Little Man

Comment by White-Bear on August 5, 2011 at 5:53pm
I cannot add any more words than the ones here. Know this, it is coming upon the time when our Elders and the children must leave for the mountains, if they are to survive the coming changes. We must NOT be afraid of this change, we must embrace and celebrate this. We are truly the ones for which we wait. We should open our hearts to the coming of the rainbow warriors.
Comment by John Francis on July 27, 2011 at 9:19pm

This matter reminds me of a guy who gave me some good advice. He was the CEO of a company I was working for. He said that I was worrying about things that I had no control over. That sunk in and he was right. He lifted a weight from my shoulders and I relaxed a bit.


Later he told me something else he never told to anyone before. During the battle of the bulge, as an officer in the army, he was pinned down under heavy fire. His men were being hit. He took cover behind a tree in the forest. 


Next thing he was experiencing an out of body view of himself. I sympathized with him on that. Sometimes we must look at things from a different perspective to see the larger view.


When we are centered we see better. With the sun at high noon we are centered and can locate our position relative to the earth. This is analogous to our spiritual viewpoint. We don’t see much unless we locate and center on our core. 

Comment by White-Bear on July 25, 2011 at 11:46am

Thank you for this admittance of a mistake.

May you walk in beauty


Apache Elder

Comment by White-Bear on July 21, 2011 at 9:40am

Hello Heinz,

Welcome to our humble lodge.

Yes, the human beings do undeed have the ability to destroy our Mother Earth, at least destroy ourselves. But, I like to think that there are enough of us to stop this insanity and to truly take up the cause that we originally were meant to follow, we are the caretakers of our Mother Earth. That is our function, what we are supposed to be doing.

There is hope.


May you walk in beauty


Apache Elder

Comment by heinz on July 18, 2011 at 3:53pm

Hi dear men:

I'm so happy to join loge.

I just want to ask you a question and Know your points of view;

Will earth be destroyed by mankind before the natural sun exploding?

I think we will destroy our sweet blue home before it comes to ends by natural cycle of destroying by sun or another planet or something.

What's YOUR idea?


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